return of Toyota?

[Homeslice]

It is declining as a % of cars though.

And driving dynamics > packaging.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

It is declining as a % of cars though.

And driving dynamics > packaging.

Hate to tell you but you live in the United States.

Sales>anything enthusiast like in a car.
automatic>Manual
Nanny Devices>feedback
Straightline on highway cruising>behavior in the twisties

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

Hate to tell you but you live in the United States.

Sales>anything enthusiast like in a car.
automatic>Manual
Nanny Devices>feedback
Straightline on highway cruising>behavior in the twisties

Don't forget 20" wheels, Xenon lights, headrest DVD players, and "Monsoon" stereo systems (with sub-par speakers, but what they don't know won't hurt them)

[Adeptus_Minor]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

Hate to tell you but you live in the United States.

Sales>anything enthusiasts like in a car.
automatic>Manual
Nanny Devices>feedback
Straightline on highway cruising>behavior in the twisties

Sad but true...
Want a real driver's car for under $35k? Good luck.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by Adeptus_Minor

Sad but true...
Want a real driver's car for under $35k? Good luck.

miata FTW!

[Adeptus_Minor]

Originally Posted by RACER X

miata FTW!

Ah... yes, I forgot.
Well, one the way I'd want it would be almost $30k anyway

[Chris S]

Originally Posted by Adeptus_Minor

Ah... yes, I forgot.
Well, one the way I'd want it would be almost $30k anyway

Real world pricing would be much less.

Plenty of good options for under $35K!

- Miata (my choice)
- S2000, before they're all gone
- 370Z
- Genesis Coupe
- Mini Cooper S
- Evo X
- STI
- RX-8 (note that this is a list of good drivers' cars, not saying anything about reliability or gas mileage)

[Adeptus_Minor]

Originally Posted by Chris S

Real world pricing would be much less.

Plenty of good options for under $35K!

- Miata (my choice)
- S2000, before they're all gone
- 370Z
- Genesis Coupe
- Mini Cooper S
- Evo X
- STI
- RX-8 (note that this is a list of good drivers' cars, not saying anything about reliability or gas mileage)

You're probably right, Chris. Online car shopping leaves me with an awful case of sticker shock.
Unfortunately I haven't done much serious shopping/haggling in a long time.
Despite being very tired of my Dakota, I'm kind of liking not having any car or bike notes to worry with