TWF track day, northeast

[Sean]

wtf...so no outbraking people, even in expert?? That's like, the most basic passing maneuver...

[derf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATlRI6R10sU

This guy rode with tonys a few weeks back, he was fast.

[TTD]

Originally Posted by Sean

wtf...so no outbraking people, even in expert?? That's like, the most basic passing maneuver...

I'm curious...

What part of the rules do you feel say "no outbraking"?

I hear this a lot, and I'd like to re-write it to be clearer because that is definitely not our intention.

While the bikes are straight up and down, there is no "outside".

All we say is that once the rider in front is ready to turn in (which is at the Entry Cone), you cannot come up his inside.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by TTD

I'm curious...

What part of the rules do you feel say "no outbraking"?

I hear this a lot, and I'd like to re-write it to be clearer because that is definitely not our intention.

While the bikes are straight up and down, there is no "outside".

All we say is that once the rider in front is ready to turn in (which is at the Entry Cone), you cannot come up his inside.

Yeah, this is pretty common. I don't think you will ever win the war over this misunderstanding. Some of us apperciate the no passing on the inside of a corner at a track day. Too easy to get taken out by someone who lowsides. It's not a race, no need for dumb passes.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by TTD

I'm curious...

What part of the rules do you feel say "no outbraking"?

Because the map clearly shows that there's no passing in the braking zones and in the entries to corners, where all the outbraking would happen.

[TTD]

Originally Posted by Sean

Because the map clearly shows that there's no passing in the braking zones and in the entries to corners, where all the outbraking would happen.

I tried to make the map show no passing from entry to exit cone.

I am starting my braking long before the red areas.

Maybe I'll add wording to clarify?

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by TTD

I tried to make the map show no passing from entry to exit cone.

I am starting my braking long before the red areas.

Maybe I'll add wording to clarify?

In intermediate/expert, from the apex to the exit, can you pass on the inside so to speak. I am in intermediate and in the orgs I have ridden with theres no inside passing from entry to apex, but after the apex you could go on the inside.


I use that to pass people when I can and would just want to be sure so that I dont spook another rider or get black flagged.

Tom

[TTD]

We encourage you to wait until after the exit cone... but we are less concerned with after the apex.

In other words, passing on the inside from Entry to Apex will get you spoken to and/or black flagged.

After the Apex but before the Exit Cone are looked at on a case by case. If you can do it and still leave 6 feet of space... no one is going to bother you.

If you do it and get too close to the passee and/or run him wide... we'll be talking.

Something to keep in mind is that while we have these rules, we also have a different type of rider. We encourage people to take a look behind them once in a while and to let others by if anyone is there.

The majority of our riders are just out to have a good time and are not looking to go bar to bar or drag race anyone. Because of this, there is usually much less need to make agressive passes in the corner areas because our riders will gladly let you by on the straights.

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by TTD

We encourage you to wait until after the exit cone... but we are less concerned with after the apex.

In other words, passing on the inside from Entry to Apex will get you spoken to and/or black flagged.

After the Apex but before the Exit Cone are looked at on a case by case. If you can do it and still leave 6 feet of space... no one is going to bother you.

If you do it and get too close to the passee and/or run him wide... we'll be talking.

Something to keep in mind is that while we have these rules, we also have a different type of rider. We encourage people to take a look behind them once in a while and to let others by if anyone is there.

The majority of our riders are just out to have a good time and are not looking to go bar to bar or drag race anyone. Because of this, there is usually much less need to make agressive passes in the corner areas because our riders will gladly let you by on the straights.

Thx for the clarification, I just wanted to know so I can ride accordingly. I am usualy prety careful in my passing and will sometmes not take an opportunity if I think I can just squeeze through. I just dont want to be that guy who ruins someone elses day by taking them out.

Tom