Does everyone know how to ride this?

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

No, it's because I was once a noob who didn't know about all this shit and threads like this helped me not only become a better rider, but more importantly a safer rider.

Ok, fair enough, let's talk safety.

You can, in my opinion, ride for your entire life, on any road in the world, without trail braking.

How? Simple. Slow the fuck down. The world is not a racetrack. Treating it like one, exponentially increases your odds of becoming a leather clad graffiti stain on some unforgiving canyon wall.

I ride at **ahem** a fairly "spirited pace", but I'm usually off the brakes, way before the apex. Maybe it's because I got the whole racing thing out of my system years ago, (almost, anyway...) or maybe it's because I've seen too many dead guys laying under sheets. Probably both.

So, trail braking? Good thing to know how to do. It will make you faster. Will it make you safer? I don't think so.

JC

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Ok, fair enough, let's talk safety.

You can, in my opinion, ride for your entire life, on any road in the world, without trail braking.

How? Simple. Slow the fuck down. The world is not a racetrack. Treating it like one, exponentially increases your odds of becoming a leather clad graffiti stain on some unforgiving canyon wall.

I ride at **ahem** a fairly "spirited pace", but I'm usually off the brakes, way before the apex. Maybe it's because I got the whole racing thing out of my system years ago, (almost, anyway...) or maybe it's because I've seen too many dead guys laying under sheets. Probably both.

So, trail braking? Good thing to know how to do. It will make you faster. Will it make you safer? I don't think so.

JC

I'm inclined to agree with you and if that was that would have been the original line of thought coming out of this thread then I'd have nothing to say. The fact is that the guy posted useful information about motorcycles on a motorcycle site. Fuck me I think this was the first time I've even seen you post about riding... until this point I wasn't even sure you had a bike.

I don't mind some ribbing and I certainly don't think this should be a 'strictly motorcycle content' sort of site but if someone wants to talk bikes, riding, or something related to the core purpose of this site let them. If you disagree then disagree but don't click on every thread with the intent on taking a shit all over it. Its really fucking annoying and pathetic.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

I'm inclined to agree with you and if that was that would have been the original line of thought coming out of this thread then I'd have nothing to say. The fact is that the guy posted useful information about motorcycles on a motorcycle site. Fuck me I think this was the first time I've even seen you post about riding... until this point I wasn't even sure you had a bike.

I don't mind some ribbing and I certainly don't think this should be a 'strictly motorcycle content' sort of site but if someone wants to talk bikes, riding, or something related to the core purpose of this site let them. If you disagree then disagree but don't click on every thread with the intent on taking a shit all over it. Its really fucking annoying and pathetic.

Fuck dude, it ain't like I shot the guy's cat.

If we were sitting around a table at a bar, my reaction to the thread title, and the overall tone of the post would have been the same. A ribbing would ensue.

I've been riding for 33 years. Funny thing is, I started riding in Colorado, and I've probably been on Lookout Mountain. I can't say for sure, because they all look the same to me, and it was 33 fucking years ago. I don't even remember the names of all the streets I've lived on, let alone all the goddamn mountains I went up and down.

But you're right, I don't talk much about riding on the site. I don't feel the need to. Ask me a question, and I'll give you my opinion, but that's as far as it goes.

You're reading way to much into this, take a pill. Hell, take two, they're small.

JC

[Thumper996]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

So, trail braking? Good thing to know how to do. It will make you faster. Will it make you safer? I don't think so.

JC

That is a bunch of BS, if you never practice braking late into a turn then you will never have that skill when needed in an emergency.

Example, you enter the turn at your non-braking speed, but out of no where car, animal, or debris is in the road causes you to have to get that sucker stopped under control whole redirecting the bike.

If you don't learn to do this under normal riding conditions you are most likely going to crash when you actually need to trail brake and redirect the bike at the same time.


Trail braking is all about hard entry into a turn while under hard braking. You either can or cannot do this.

So flame me if you want, but i will continue to trail brake into almost every turn.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by Thumper996

That is a bunch of BS, if you never practice braking late into a turn then you will never have that skill when needed in an emergency.

Example, you enter the turn at your non-braking speed, but out of no where car, animal, or debris is in the road causes you to have to get that sucker stopped under control whole redirecting the bike.

That's all fine and good, but I think you need to reexamine the conventional definition of trail braking, (which, btw, NW did a pretty good job of). If you aren't on the brakes when you enter a turn, you're not trail braking. The situation you're describing, is emergency braking. Not the same thing, and not the same purpose.

Originally Posted by Thumper996

Trail braking is all about hard entry into a turn while under hard braking.

Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, now I remember....

Originally Posted by Thumper996

So flame me if you want, but i will continue to trail brake into almost every turn.

Knock yourself out.

JC

[Thumper996]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

That's all fine and good, but I think you need to reexamine the conventional definition of trail braking, (which, btw, NW did a pretty good job of). If you aren't on the brakes when you enter a turn, you're not trail braking. The situation you're describing, is emergency braking. Not the same thing, and not the same purpose.



JC

I know the difference between trail braking as part of normal entry into a turns apex and emergency braking in a turn.

You miss the point i was trying to get across, some riders never learn to trail brake at all and when they need to lean and brake hard in the middle of a turn unexpectedly they do not have the skill or experience to do so and typically they crash. That is all i was trying to say.

I was taught to also use the rear brake out of a turn to correct the bikes attitude if drifting to wide. Dragging a little rear brake while on the throttle will bring the bike down more into the turn of course so will pinning throttle, but that takes skill i still have not developed after 35 years of riding

Just my $0.02 worth as we all ride different.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by Thumper996

I know the difference between trail braking as part of normal entry into a turns apex and emergency braking in a turn.

You miss the point i was trying to get across, some riders never learn to trail brake at all and when they need to lean and brake hard in the middle of a turn unexpectedly they do not have the skill or experience to do so and typically they crash. That is all i was trying to say.

I was taught to also use the rear brake out of a turn to correct the bikes attitude if drifting to wide. Dragging a little rear brake while on the throttle will bring the bike down more into the turn of course so will pinning throttle, but that takes skill i still have not developed after 35 years of riding

Just my $0.02 worth as we all ride different.

I'm not disagreeing with that at all.

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

So, trail braking? Good thing to know how to do.

JC

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Thumper996

..... Dragging a little rear brake while on the throttle will bring the bike down more into the turn of course so will pinning throttle.....

Not with a big piston fork setup. You can throw the fork compressing on braking and trying to get the rear end to squat on exit out of your head. lol

I trail brake at the track and sometimes in the canyon. But in the canyon I usually don't. It's too much work to accelerate the shit on the straights.