World Cup 2010

[Trip]

Originally Posted by NONE_too_SOFT

acting is a part of every sport with officials.

yeah, but they suck at it in soccer and do it way more than football. Don't watch hockey or basketball enough to make an accurate judge.

[NONE_too_SOFT]

Originally Posted by Trip

yeah, but they suck at it in soccer and do it way more than football. Don't watch hockey or basketball enough to make an accurate judge.

In soccer things are spread out and not a huge clustefuck, so its more obvious to see.

Plus no pads warrents a simple rule called "dangerous play" which is basically at the ref's discretion, but in the fifa rulebook is defined as doing things like slide tackling with the cleats facing up, slide tackling from behind (although this is acceptable if contact is made with the ball first), challening a ball higher than mid waist with your cleats (high kick), etc etc.

Basketball isnt a contact sport, so its pretty easy to tell what a foul is.

Hockey and football you wear pads and helmets to protect yourself.

Soccer is full contact, with a set of rules designed to minimize serious injury, which is officiated by typically 4 men. 2 on each sideline, a center official, and an official at midfield to manage substitutions.

So yea, i guess you could call it acting when a player exaggerates being tackled or pushed, but in reality its just using the rules of the game to try and get an advantage. The rules arent cut and dry like other sports, and soccer referees know this.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by NONE_too_SOFT

In soccer things are spread out and not a huge clustefuck, so its more obvious to see.

Plus no pads warrents a simple rule called "dangerous play" which is basically at the ref's discretion, but in the fifa rulebook is defined as doing things like slide tackling with the cleats facing up, slide tackling from behind (although this is acceptable if contact is made with the ball first), challening a ball higher than mid waist with your cleats (high kick), etc etc.

Basketball isnt a contact sport, so its pretty easy to tell what a foul is.

Hockey and football you wear pads and helmets to protect yourself.

Soccer is full contact, with a set of rules designed to minimize serious injury, which is officiated by typically 4 men. 2 on each sideline, a center official, and an official at midfield to manage substitutions.

So yea, i guess you could call it acting when a player exaggerates being tackled or pushed, but in reality its just using the rules of the game to try and get an advantage. The rules arent cut and dry like other sports, and soccer referees know this.

You don't have to tell me shit about soccer. I played it through middle and high school. I also played Lacrosse. We didn't act nearly as much in lacrosse as we did in soccer.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by NONE_too_SOFT

So yea, i guess you could call it acting when a player exaggerates being tackled or pushed, but in reality its just using the rules of the game to try and get an advantage. The rules arent cut and dry like other sports, and soccer referees know this.

Bullshit.

It is acting and it has become more and more acceptable in soccer over the last decade or so and it sucks.

I'd guess that close to half the calls made in Professional soccer are from little or no contact.

[NONE_too_SOFT]

Originally Posted by Trip

You don't have to tell me shit about soccer. I played it through middle and high school. I also played Lacrosse. We didn't act nearly as much in lacrosse as we did in soccer.

Thats great, but so did i, and i've continued to play club after highschool, and just played yesterday. But conversely i've also refereed for 10 years, including regional club tournaments and semi-pro games.

and again, lacrosse, you carry sticks and wear pads, more similar to hockey than soccer.

Originally Posted by shmike

Bullshit.

It is acting and it has become more and more acceptable in soccer over the last decade or so and it sucks.

I'd guess that close to half the calls made in Professional soccer are from little or no contact.

Its not "acceptable". Nobody commends somebody on a good dive. Players know when its a dive, referee's know when its a dive, and fans know when its a dive. But without time-outs and instant replays you put a lot of weight on somebodys shoulder to make the right call. Most of the "acting" calls made arent done in scoring positions. Sometimes its better to just stop play and get things going again, because otherwise the player that doesnt get the call is gonna get pissed and may actually end up hurting somebody. Referee's are very cautious to make calls like that around the penalty area, and almost every time you see the referee make a call INSIDE the 18 you'll see him consult a linesman for a second opinion if there is any chance of a second doubt.

They're supposed to manage the game. They cant let things get out of control, and if they only called the most serious offenses things WILL get out of control. Its that simple. They've also got a lot of leeway with the clock as far as injury time goes. If you just watched the italy game you'd notice that the referee didnt call the game until paraguay cleared the ball.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by NONE_too_SOFT

Thats great, but so did i, and i've continued to play club after highschool, and just played yesterday. But conversely i've also refereed for 10 years, including regional club tournaments and semi-pro games.

and again, lacrosse, you carry sticks and wear pads, more similar to hockey than soccer.



Its not "acceptable". Nobody commends somebody on a good dive. Players know when its a dive, referee's know when its a dive, and fans know when its a dive. But without time-outs and instant replays you put a lot of weight on somebodys shoulder to make the right call. Most of the "acting" calls made arent done in scoring positions. Sometimes its better to just stop play and get things going again, because otherwise the player that doesnt get the call is gonna get pissed and may actually end up hurting somebody. Referee's are very cautious to make calls like that around the penalty area, and almost every time you see the referee make a call INSIDE the 18 you'll see him consult a linesman for a second opinion if there is any chance of a second doubt.

They're supposed to manage the game. They cant let things get out of control, and if they only called the most serious offenses things WILL get out of control. Its that simple. They've also got a lot of leeway with the clock as far as injury time goes. If you just watched the italy game you'd notice that the referee didnt call the game until paraguay cleared the ball.

It's more similar to soccer. Strategy and play with rules. You wear minimal pads. Much less than hockey.

It hasn't always been as much of an issue. Refs are just as much a part of this crap as the players. They need to let the shit just happen so these cocks stop doing this shit.

[NONE_too_SOFT]

Originally Posted by Trip

It's more similar to soccer. Strategy and play with rules. You wear minimal pads. Much less than hockey.

It hasn't always been as much of an issue. Refs are just as much a part of this crap as the players. They need to let the shit just happen so these cocks stop doing this shit.

that was my point though. You know first hand how pathetically shallow soccer players are, if they dont get their call they're likely to go for blood next time just to show the ref who's boss.

Example: zidane's last game of his professional career 4 years ago. Italy was giving him shit the entire game, he got pissy, and he layed some fucker out and pretty much lost france the trophy (yes, france would have won if zidane was taking his PK).