Why dont people keep service records?

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Weak fucking sauce.

Sometimes I think you people just take the opposite side just to disagree.

You're gonna tell me if you put like lets say a slipper clutch in your bike, you would throw away the receipt? Somehow I think not. But ok, let's entertain that idea. Let's say 3 months later you lose your job and are forced to sell the bike. You know, unexpected things happen sometimes. So now all of a sudden you can't "run it into the ground" anymore. You've got to sell it, and you want a potential buyer to know that you upgraded it with a fairly desirable mod. 'Cept you can't because you threw away the receipt. Real intelligent.

Originally Posted by Homeslice

LOL if I owned that shop, I'd hang up and tell you to buzz off. Why would I waste my time looking up records for someone who wasn't even the customer.

I had to jump in here because of the sheer stupidity above.

1. If you are buying a bike and you can't tell whether it has a slipper in it on the test ride, you deserve to be swindled.

2. My most recent bike purchase had a slipper, full ohlins, and about $10k worth of factory "kit" parts. I got exactly ZERO receipts with my purchase.

3. When I needed to verify the build done on the motor, guess what I did? I called the shop that did the work.

Not only did they not hang up, I spent about an hour on the phone with the engine builder. He went through everything that was done to the motor, everything that he did to other motors that season, tips to know and issues to look out for. This is one of the most renowned shops in the southeast, not some shade tree mechanic.

I can't believe that some of you would walk away from the deal I got or try to tell the seller that it wasn't worth what he wanted because he didn't have receipts.

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by shmike

I had to jump in here because of the sheer stupidity above.

1. If you are buying a bike and you can't tell whether it has a slipper in it on the test ride, you deserve to be swindled.

2. My most recent bike purchase had a slipper, full ohlins, and about $10k worth of factory "kit" parts. I got exactly ZERO receipts with my purchase.

3. When I needed to verify the build done on the motor, guess what I did? I called the shop that did the work.

Not only did they not hang up, I spent about an hour on the phone with the engine builder. He went through everything that was done to the motor, everything that he did to other motors that season, tips to know and issues to look out for. This is one of the most renowned shops in the southeast, not some shade tree mechanic.

I can't believe that some of you would walk away from the deal I got or try to tell the seller that it wasn't worth what he wanted because he didn't have receipts.

I do recall one story on the wera board where a guy bought a race bike and they claimed all this motor work was done. There was a problem withthe motor and it was pulled apart and it was bone stock, nonebof said work was ever done.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by tommymac

I do recall one story on the wera board where a guy bought a race bike and they claimed all this motor work was done. There was a problem withthe motor and it was pulled apart and it was bone stock, nonebof said work was ever done.

Exactly.

[Tmall]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Exactly.

If it's the one I'm thinking of, it was all documented work. He was shown paperwork. Buddy tears the engine open and sees the word "kit" written on his cams in marker which made him suspicious. Further investigation revealed everything to be stock.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Tmall

If it's the one I'm thinking of, it was all documented work. He was shown paperwork. Buddy tears the engine open and sees the word "kit" written on his cams in marker which made him suspicious. Further investigation revealed everything to be stock.

I'll admit, it would be easy to fake a generic invoice. But the colored & serrated paper that big shops/dealers use isn't something most people are going to use in their printer. Not to mention replicating the dealership's logo and everything. Kind of doubtful that anyone would fake that for 100K+ worth of services.

[Tmall]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

I'll admit, it would be easy to fake a generic invoice. But the colored & serrated paper that big shops/dealers use isn't something most people are going to use in their printer. Not to mention replicating the dealership's logo and everything. Kind of doubtful that anyone would fake that for 100K+ worth of services.

It's confusing that you're trying to argue little details and then flip flopping when somebody refutes it. Which do you want to debate? Service records, or proof of mods and work? You're trying to do both and its just not working.

He could have easily had all kinds of components installed. He also could have removed them himself, sold them separately, and still show somebody the paperwork proving they were there at one point.


But, I don't remember if you're still considering slipper clutches, or only services..

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by shmike

I had to jump in here because of the sheer stupidity above.

1. If you are buying a bike and you can't tell whether it has a slipper in it on the test ride, you deserve to be swindled.

2. My most recent bike purchase had a slipper, full ohlins, and about $10k worth of factory "kit" parts. I got exactly ZERO receipts with my purchase.

3. When I needed to verify the build done on the motor, guess what I did? I called the shop that did the work.

Not only did they not hang up, I spent about an hour on the phone with the engine builder. He went through everything that was done to the motor, everything that he did to other motors that season, tips to know and issues to look out for. This is one of the most renowned shops in the southeast, not some shade tree mechanic.

I can't believe that some of you would walk away from the deal I got or try to tell the seller that it wasn't worth what he wanted because he didn't have receipts.

I used the slipper clutch as an example. Just like I used a Dinan engine kit as an example. I could have said a totally rebuilt engine too. Point is, they're all just examples. And while you may be able to call and talk to a race shop who's willing to spend his time on the phone with you (because he's got nothing better to do), try doing that with the average dealership after being told "You can just call my dealer, he did all the maintenance"

[Particle Man]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

I used the slipper clutch as an example. Just like I used a Dinan engine kit as an example. I could have said a totally rebuilt engine too. Point is, they're all just examples. And while you may be able to call and talk to a race shop who's willing to spend his time on the phone with you (because he's got nothing better to do), try doing that with the average dealership after being told "You can just call my dealer, he did all the maintenance"

My local dealer's mechanic won't shut up once he gets on the phone.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Particle Man

My local dealer's mechanic won't shut up once he gets on the phone.

In my experience, most dealers won't put mechanics on the line -- that's what the service writers are for.

You might be able to call a service manager and give him the VIN and see if certain recalls had been taken care of, but for him to read off all the maintenance that has ever been done is probably not gonna be something he's willing to do. And that assumes his records even go back that far.

[Particle Man]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

In my experience, most dealers won't put mechanics on the line -- that's what the service writers are for.

You might be able to call a service manager and give him the VIN and see if certain recalls had been taken care of, but for him to read off all the maintenance that has ever been done is probably not gonna be something he's willing to do. And that assumes his records even go back that far.

Time to find a better dealer. Just sayin'.