Absolute worste beginner bike

[DLIT]

Originally Posted by R1up0n1

I don't totally agree with all that. I started out on an SV650 and it worked out great. I know Trip started out on an SV650 also.

Excluding those. They're weak.

[Trip]

I don't think you can exclude any bike. It's really up to the person if it is a bad bike or not. Someone with a decent amount of natural talent and self control can start out on the most powerful bike and be perfectly fine, it's really more the person than the bike.

[DLIT]

Originally Posted by Trip

I don't think you can exclude any bike. It's really up to the person if it is a bad bike or not. Someone with a decent amount of natural talent and self control can start out on the most powerful bike and be perfectly fine, it's really more the person than the bike.

Exactly.

[Smittie61984]

Well assuming the person has average skills.

Heard another bike. The new V-max

[R1up0n1]

Originally Posted by DLIT

Excluding those. They're weak.

That they are...I think stock the damn thing only outs out 65hp

[PhiSig1071]

Honestly, I'm surprised no one said anything about my pick. OK yeah, in the wrong hands a 600 will kill you, but even in the right hands a plated CR500X could kill you. Hell, I'd be a little timid on that bike, and I've been riding for seven years. I think that would be about the worst bike to learn on.

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by PhiSig1071

but even in the right hands a plated CR500X could kill you.

Haha. Didn't think about that. Yeah those are stupid fast...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JBBoJQehzpA

[PT996S]

To play devils advocate....

Maybe the worst beginners bike is one that is too tame and instills a pre-mature sense of confidence! Such as the before mentioned 65Hp SV650 or any small hp twin (Monster, EX500, GS500). I have seen plenty of people get really F~ed up on those little bikes in Europe just as fast as the big bikes. And if you get yourself into a bad "Damn I really wish I had another 20hp to make this pass before the bus coming the other way makes me a greasy spot" situations the low HP, low tech bikes can be worse.

Not to meantion, they give up so much on the braking and suspension technology. So that in bad corner ing situations that a top end I4 600 could handle because of their race breed heritage and relatively tweeked brakes and suspension. The little low dollar "beginner bikes" end up being really unforgiving of rookie mistakes like jabbing the brake or a rapid line change and now your in the weeds or guardrail.

Am I wrong?

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by PT996S

To play devils advocate....

Maybe the worst beginners bike is one that is too tame and instills a pre-mature sense of confidence! Such as the before mentioned 65Hp SV650 or any small hp twin (Monster, EX500, GS500). I have seen plenty of people get really F~ed up on those little bikes in Europe just as fast as the big bikes. And if you get yourself into a bad "Damn I really wish I had another 20hp to make this pass before the bus coming the other way makes me a greasy spot" situations the low HP, low tech bikes can be worse.

Not to meantion, they give up so much on the braking and suspension technology. So that in bad corner ing situations that a top end I4 600 could handle because of their race breed heritage and relatively tweeked brakes and suspension. The little low dollar "beginner bikes" end up being really unforgiving of rookie mistakes like jabbing the brake or a rapid line change and now your in the weeds or guardrail.

Am I wrong?

I tried the brakes/suspension argument on the old forum.... good luck buddy! Oh and to start it off,a SV650 still makes enough power to make a pass quicker than any typical passenger car. You can get yourself in a passing situation that having a jet pack won't get you out of if you try hard enough.

[Shift]

Originally Posted by PT996S

To play devils advocate....

Maybe the worst beginners bike is one that is too tame and instills a pre-mature sense of confidence! Such as the before mentioned 65Hp SV650 or any small hp twin (Monster, EX500, GS500). I have seen plenty of people get really F~ed up on those little bikes in Europe just as fast as the big bikes. And if you get yourself into a bad "Damn I really wish I had another 20hp to make this pass before the bus coming the other way makes me a greasy spot" situations the low HP, low tech bikes can be worse.

Not to meantion, they give up so much on the braking and suspension technology. So that in bad corner ing situations that a top end I4 600 could handle because of their race breed heritage and relatively tweeked brakes and suspension. The little low dollar "beginner bikes" end up being really unforgiving of rookie mistakes like jabbing the brake or a rapid line change and now your in the weeds or guardrail.

Am I wrong?

Yes, you are. If your having trouble passing a car with one of the above mentioned bikes you are doing either two things. 1) Speeding above the posted speed limit, because the highest rural road is only 65mph and I KNOW any of those bikes can sling you by a car in a second or two because my little old 250 could jump 65-80 pretty quick. or 2) Driving like an ass and trying to make a pass when you really should just wait a few seconds, wait for the apposing car to go by, the proceed to pass the car in front of you. And as for the suspension line, gotta raise the bs flag. Sure they can't compare to the race replicas, but their not as bad as you think. And that throttle and front brake is a lot damn more forgiving