How to hang off the bike

[Country Boy 22]

This is some good reading material...very helpful info. You guys know of any more places to get info like this?

[OneSickPsycho]

I just realized what that picture is behind Edwards..

[Rider]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

I just realized what that picture is behind Edwards..

There is a reason it's called "A" style.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

I just realized what that picture is behind Edwards..

that's why Europe rules... even if you got that logo passed what ever approving body there is... it wouldn't last long before it was boycotted


funny thing is I saw it right away.. and was like... no... I'm just perverted...

[pickle.of.doom]

Originally Posted by Country Boy 22

This is some good reading material...very helpful info. You guys know of any more places to get info like this?

Twist of the Wrist II by Keith Code, Sport Riding Techniques by Nick Ienastch, Total Control by Lee Parks. All 3 great books with tons of info. Everything these guys are spitting out bits and pieces of are covered in full detail in these books.

[jtemple]

I have a question for you guys that have access to real twisties. What does the feedback from the bike feel like, when you're coming close to breaking a tire loose? You don't just suddenly lose it and lowside, do you? Is there some kind of warning that you're pushing it too far?

There's no knee-dragging going on in my neck of the woods, is why I ask. You'd have to break triple digits in a turn to get that low.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by jtemple

I have a question for you guys that have access to real twisties. What does the feedback from the bike feel like, when you're coming close to breaking a tire loose? You don't just suddenly lose it and lowside, do you? Is there some kind of warning that you're pushing it too far?

There's no knee-dragging going on in my neck of the woods, is why I ask. You'd have to break triple digits in a turn to get that low.

Sometimes you can feel it slipping, sometime you just go down without any feedback. Just depends on conditions and what causes you to lose it.

[OneSickPsycho]

That pic never gets old.

[ceo012384]

Originally Posted by jtemple

I have a question for you guys that have access to real twisties. What does the feedback from the bike feel like, when you're coming close to breaking a tire loose? You don't just suddenly lose it and lowside, do you? Is there some kind of warning that you're pushing it too far?

There's no knee-dragging going on in my neck of the woods, is why I ask. You'd have to break triple digits in a turn to get that low.

Short answer is yes, there is some warning, but that's only if you're riding correctly.

Kinda like trip said, it depends WHY you are losing traction.

If you're hanging off and your arms are nice and loose, you'll be losing traction literally due to the tire's limitations. In that case it is predictable and you'll feel the bike moving around a bit underneath you. That's another benefit of being loose is that you can easily feel what the bike is doing.

If you're putting pressure on the handlebars and the bike hits a little bump/crack and the front starts to move around, the gyroscope (wheel) can't correct itself because you're pressuring the handlebar... and BAM. You're down before you can say "tuck the front".


While dragging knee is a good gauge for lean angle (if you have a repeatable body position) and it just 'feels' right... it is not a good gauge of if you are at YOUR limits. With improper technique you will crash at a lean angle much smaller than that required to drag knee.

That's part of why I crashed in T3 last september... the tires were cold, and my handlebar pressure and tense upper body / arms didn't allow the bike to correct itself.

[Trip]

You can loose without notice while riding correctly, tires play an important role in this even when they are hot. Pilot powers have what I like to call a death rattle before they decide they have had enough. It kinda feels like vibration to let you know you are about to be on your ass. Qualifiers from my experience just start slipping. Corsa IIIs seem to follow the Qs line of thinking.