Go buy an MV Agusta now....

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Audiomechanic

Which typical Harley has fly-by-wire?

Understood and I mentioned the V-Rod as being the only forward innovation (other than buell) in a number of years. Too bad Harley didn't even design most of the VRSC (the engine anyway).

This point is completely valid and makes perfect sense. I agree.

Hope you're right.

Screamin' Eagle Road King and Ultra Classic Electriglide's both have throttle by wire for '08... It'll trickle down to the other models within the next couple years.

Who gives a fuck if HD designed the VROD engine or not?... What does that have to do with anything? They don't build race engines, are not setting out to do so, so they contract out someone who knows the technology better... Why spend the money on R&D when someone's already done the legwork for you? Pay them, use their technology, and make money. Win, win, win.

Originally Posted by marko138

Any one ever work on a push rod twin? Easy as fuck.

Oh....and the new XR1200 Harley (which America is not getting and is bullshit b/c I'd seriously consider buying it).....there are Buell parts in that engine!

Exactly. The simplicity of the Buell is part of what attracted me to it... I am a mere mortal and do not require a machine so sophisticated and beyond my skill level.

Sorta... many of the parts are similar and based upon Buell tech, but they aren't necessarily straight from Buell.

[marko138]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Screamin' Eagle Road King and Ultra Classic Electriglide's both have throttle by wire for '08... It'll trickle down to the other models within the next couple years.

Who gives a fuck if HD designed the VROD engine or not?... What does that have to do with anything? They don't build race engines, are not setting out to do so, so they contract out someone who knows the technology better... Why spend the money on R&D when someone's already done the legwork for you? Pay them, use their technology, and make money. Win, win, win.



Exactly. The simplicity of the Buell is part of what attracted me to it... I am a mere mortal and do not require a machine so sophisticated and beyond my skill level.

Sorta... many of the parts are similar and based upon Buell tech, but they aren't necessarily straight from Buell.

I've read some, including the cams, are directly from Buell.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by marko138

I've read some, including the cams, are directly from Buell.

Which means they're straight from Rotax? Btw don't get me wrong,I applaud HD for realizing that they'll never produce a viable sportbike engine in-house and going to someone who could. I just think that the heart and soul of a motorcycle is the engine and if that isn't yours then the bike really isn't either. Basically,you're a "bike assembler",like OCC, at that point in my narrow-minded book.

To be honest,it really doesn't matter to me what happens with this buyout. I'll probably never own a MV,HD or Buell. I'll never be able to justify the price tags of either the MV or HD and Buell's stying has never been to my taste. I keep dreaming that Polaris/Victory will come out with a "American" sportbike or that Moto-Czysz and/or Fischer can somehow produce a viable sportbike for around the same money as the Japanese.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Exactly. The simplicity of the Buell is part of what attracted me to it... I am a mere mortal and do not require a machine so sophisticated and beyond my skill level.

eh? ive never had any problems working on I4s. probably easier in some cases. hell i had my hurricane less than 48 hours when i stripped it apart and swapped out every filter, plugs, wires, oil and just generally went over things. easy peasey

Originally Posted by TIGGER

I just think that the heart and soul of a motorcycle is the engine and if that isn't yours then the bike really isn't either. Basically,you're a "bike assembler",like OCC, at that point in my narrow-minded book.

To be honest,it really doesn't matter to me what happens with this buyout. I'll probably never own a MV,HD or Buell. I'll never be able to justify the price tags of either the MV or HD and Buell's stying has never been to my taste. I keep dreaming that Polaris/Victory will come out with a "American" sportbike or that Moto-Czysz and/or Fischer can somehow produce a viable sportbike for around the same money as the Japanese.

i dont quite agree with this one either, i cant quite see the aprilia rsv-r as "assembled" however i do agree that id like to see motocyz and fischer make it though i still think that motocyz is reaching way too far in trying to make a viable racing team right off the bat. fischer def has a better plan...kinda like a buell lite

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Dave

i dont quite agree with this one either, i cant quite see the aprilia rsv-r as "assembled" however i do agree that id like to see motocyz and fischer make it though i still think that motocyz is reaching way too far in trying to make a viable racing team right off the bat. fischer def has a better plan...kinda like a buell lite

Yeah Rotax is/was making the motors for Aprillia,besides,like every other company,parts come in from various vendors and are put together at the Aprillia factory too. Why are you all so resistive to this concept? HD,GM,Aprillia, Suzuki,Honda,Boeing,etc don't manufacture much of anything,they design a product(some companies don't even do that),source the parts,and assemble the finished product. Heck,when I worked at Keeler I spent entire shifts assembling headlights for Neons from parts we outsourced and made on site. I bet at least four different companies were involved with making components just for that headlight. I'd wager that at least 30 companies are involved with manufacture of a motorcycle.