Military fatalities...

smileyman · 10-31-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiSig1071

I completely agree, unfortunately we don't have the infrastructure in place to enforce than kind of mandate in the "civilian" world.

IF you had a insightful government regulating the insurance companies you could possibly enlist THEIR assets in offering / providing rider training. IF you had enough of a break on the $2400-$4800 per year premiums you would get the consumers support...IF.

As it is no, not enough deaths, not enough $$ lost by insurers...

t-homo · 10-31-2008, 12:09 PM

I just saw this and was getting ready to post it. Its sad really. 25 in the Marines and 33 in the navy, just in the last year.

PhiSig1071 · 10-31-2008, 12:16 PM

Yeah, we should definitely have a gradiated license system for motorcyclists. We have some of the toughest laws governing the operation of a motorcycle (ie speeding tickets) yet we still havemore fatalities than any European country. IMO that's because of greater awareness because of more prevalance and the licensing systems they have there.

Shift · 10-31-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by t-rock

I just saw this and was getting ready to post it. Its sad really. 25 in the Marines and 33 in the navy, just in the last year.

The Marines number is worse for the number of riders. 25 out of 18,000 in one year. Last year in 07 the average for all riders in the US was only near 8 deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles.

smileyman · 10-31-2008, 12:32 PM

Maybe the statistics just speak highly of our military prowess...I mean if it is safer to be deployed in a a hostile country with suicidal terrorists bent on your destruction than ride a motorcycle in your own country

Perhaps the media blows our combat caualties out of proportion

Either way one death is just too many if anyone, govt, insurance co, friends, can do anything to avoid it!

No Worries · 10-31-2008, 01:40 PM

Not just the Navy and Marines, but the Army also has a training program. From the Denver Post: "The Army, which also has a training program, lost 36 soldiers in sport-bike accidents in the same time period (as the Navy and Marine study). The accidents follow a pattern: excessive speed, poor cornering and insufficient braking." Full article: http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_10816770.

Cornering and braking can be taught. As for the excessive speed thing, I'm still trying to learn that myself.

PhiSig1071 · 10-31-2008, 02:40 PM

I think a lot of it has to do with mindset. Once you've dealt with insurgents, IED's, and ambushes your perception of "dangerous" is somewhat skewed. I would imagine it would take some time for the soldiers to readjust and realize that a motorcycle will kill you just as quickly as a bullet if you do not respect it.

PT996S · 10-31-2008, 03:14 PM

This story is based from the annual DOD report that was recently pulished. The only branch of the military to have a positive trend (less accidents) was the Air Force.

That being said, I am not saying the Air Force is any better just that this year we had better numbers. Air Mobility Command in the Air Force has been teaching a Sportbike Safety course for about 2 years now and it is a quality course but it is not enough. IMO mentorship is the real answer for the military issue. Teaching the "young-uns" and "newbies" the respect that these bikes require is the best solution. Regardless of their age.

Dave · 11-03-2008, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiSig1071

I think a lot of it has to do with mindset. Once you've dealt with insurgents, IED's, and ambushes your perception of "dangerous" is somewhat skewed. I would imagine it would take some time for the soldiers to readjust and realize that a motorcycle will kill you just as quickly as a bullet if you do not respect it.

its more like hunting for the same level of adrenaline rush. im sure these numbers will come down when we are back at a peacetime state. not likely to happen anytime soon though

jeeps84 · 11-01-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by smileyman

Maybe the statistics just speak highly of our military prowess...I mean if it is safer to be deployed in a a hostile country with suicidal terrorists bent on your destruction than ride a motorcycle in your own country

Perhaps the media blows our combat caualties out of proportion

Either way one death is just too many if anyone, govt, insurance co, friends, can do anything to avoid it!

10-31-2008, 12:16 PM	#3
PhiSig1071 Let go of my ears. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Moto: '03 GSX-R600, '04 625SMC Posts: 1,394	Yeah, we should definitely have a gradiated license system for motorcyclists. We have some of the toughest laws governing the operation of a motorcycle (ie speeding tickets) yet we still havemore fatalities than any European country. IMO that's because of greater awareness because of more prevalance and the licensing systems they have there. __________________ Entia non sunt multiplicanda necessitatem

10-31-2008, 12:32 PM	#5
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	Maybe the statistics just speak highly of our military prowess...I mean if it is safer to be deployed in a a hostile country with suicidal terrorists bent on your destruction than ride a motorcycle in your own country Perhaps the media blows our combat caualties out of proportion Either way one death is just too many if anyone, govt, insurance co, friends, can do anything to avoid it! __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

10-31-2008, 02:40 PM	#7
PhiSig1071 Let go of my ears. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Moto: '03 GSX-R600, '04 625SMC Posts: 1,394	I think a lot of it has to do with mindset. Once you've dealt with insurgents, IED's, and ambushes your perception of "dangerous" is somewhat skewed. I would imagine it would take some time for the soldiers to readjust and realize that a motorcycle will kill you just as quickly as a bullet if you do not respect it. __________________ Entia non sunt multiplicanda necessitatem

10-31-2008, 03:14 PM	#8
PT996S The Wanderer! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sacramento CA (ish) Moto: Ducati 996S, Ducati Monster 620, CRF450X, TTR125, CRF80, CRF50 Posts: 6	This story is based from the annual DOD report that was recently pulished. The only branch of the military to have a positive trend (less accidents) was the Air Force. That being said, I am not saying the Air Force is any better just that this year we had better numbers. Air Mobility Command in the Air Force has been teaching a Sportbike Safety course for about 2 years now and it is a quality course but it is not enough. IMO mentorship is the real answer for the military issue. Teaching the "young-uns" and "newbies" the respect that these bikes require is the best solution. Regardless of their age. Last edited by PT996S; 10-31-2008 at 03:15 PM.. Reason: failure to proof read

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10-31-2008, 12:09 PM	#2
t-homo WSB Champion Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 7,146	I just saw this and was getting ready to post it. Its sad really. 25 in the Marines and 33 in the navy, just in the last year.

10-31-2008, 01:40 PM	#6
No Worries Keyboard Racer Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mile High City Moto: Old Superbikes Posts: 1,016	Not just the Navy and Marines, but the Army also has a training program. From the Denver Post: "The Army, which also has a training program, lost 36 soldiers in sport-bike accidents in the same time period (as the Navy and Marine study). The accidents follow a pattern: excessive speed, poor cornering and insufficient braking." Full article: http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_10816770. Cornering and braking can be taught. As for the excessive speed thing, I'm still trying to learn that myself.