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Old 03-13-2009, 10:12 AM   #1
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Suzuki have kept the 750 in the lineup cause it is still cost efficient to produce. Used to they based the 600cc GSXR on the 750, sharing design and production budget. Now they base the 750 on the 600 but still have the same chassis and ancillary parts (wheels, bodywork, brakes, controls, frames).

The GSXR 750 also has a cult following in Europe where they sell strong. Personally I loved the ZX7 and the GSXR750. Even had a crush on the YZF750, although I never felt the R7.

My ZX6/636 has great torque and with my slightly larger rear sprocket feels very 750 ish. I just don't have to worry about flipping it over like I would a liter bike...
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Old 03-13-2009, 11:10 AM   #2
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The 600's on the other hand don't have enough low end torque for how I like to ride. Now the new ZX-6R is supposed to have increased low end torque so that may solve my problem with that.
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I really doubt it.

Another problem with 600's is that the rpm's are higher on the freeway, which gets old over long distances.

750 is the best of both worlds, they are better commuters than 600's, and better handlers than most 1000's.

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Old 03-13-2009, 11:12 AM   #3
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I really doubt it.

Another problem with 600's is that the rpm's are higher on the freeway, which gets old over long distances.

750 is the best of both worlds, they are better commuters than 600's, better handlers than most 1000's
Agreed that's why I chose the 750 for my last bike.
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Old 03-13-2009, 04:38 PM   #4
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I can see suzuki doing away with the 750 eventually. the only reason why it survived to this day is because the gsxr 750 is widely popular. but it seems that 750cc is starting to be an oddball size. like stated earlier the liters are flagships, but the 600's are making their marks as middleweights and starter bikes.
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Old 03-13-2009, 06:01 PM   #5
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zuks:

http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_w...ts/index8.html

hondas:

http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_w...ts/index8.html

by year its not quite what i was saying but damn is it close. early millenium appears to be the low point for bike weight
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Old 03-24-2009, 02:40 PM   #6
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IN my day I've had a total of four of Kawi's older 750... a 92 ZX-7RR, a 94, a 98 and a 99 ZX-7R.....
they were great bikes... But by comparison they became outdated... the 600 class was dropping weight like mad.. and Suziki did a redesign on the middle weight gsxr in the late 90's, the kawi never got the upgrade. the last year they made it was in '03 but it was littlerally an IDENTICAL bike to the '96 model. Heavy, carbureted rather than FI... they dropped it because of sales.. but the sales slipped because they failed to upgrade it to match the performance of the Suzuki.

There have been rumors floating around for a few years now that they were planning to re-enter the middleweight class with a ZX8R, but they're just that... rumors...
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Old 03-12-2009, 11:16 PM   #7
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If only it didnt look like a suzuki on the nose.... I'd still rather get the FZ6.

I still like the YZF's tho Jojo. They are comfortable as hell.

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I think they'd sell like shit, just like in their waning years. Why buy a 750 when for about a grand more you can have the full on liter bike? There's not a large enough price gap between the 600's and 1000's where you could justify slotting in a 750 without cannibalizing some of the bread and butter 600 sales and losing sales to the liters. There wouldn't be enough sales to justify ongoing development.
I agree.... It's either you are using a 600 to its potential or are experienced enough for a litre banger or not. IMO, get rid of the 750 and design a competing 250 like bike. It'd most likely sell better. All manufacturers should have a small capacity bike. I just dont get why all the manu's arent catching on to the Ninja 250 success.
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Old 03-12-2009, 11:19 PM   #8
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If only it didnt look like a suzuki on the nose....
same thing I said when I uncrated the first one
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Old 03-12-2009, 11:54 PM   #9
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same thing I said when I uncrated the first one
Uncrated? You work at a dealer? Nice!

I really would want to this summer if the economy was a bit better.
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Old 03-13-2009, 12:15 AM   #10
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Uncrated? You work at a dealer? Nice!

I really would want to this summer if the economy was a bit better.
I was working at a dealership. got canned because I didn't watch what I said when I told them I wasn't going to room with the one guy I didn't like in the shop on road trip.
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